The Venus Project

How are TAP and TVP similar and dissimilar?

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TAP was recently made aware of "The Venus Project" (TVP). To date, it's the closest project to TAP.

Both initiatives seek near-future world improvement with better balance of everything toward the goal of endless sustainability.

TVP emphasizes the need for a Resource Based Economy (RBE). TAP also suggests a new economic model and system is required.

TVP looks to eliminate money (currency). TAP suggests a major change to the engineering of currency. TAP sees that currency can be a helpful tool, but it cannot be as detailed as it is today - with endless growth and easily criminalized.

TVP focuses on necessary changes to physical systems - as humans interact with our biosphere. TAP focuses on the non-physical systems that humans use to interact and collaborate, like infocomm, governance, education and economics. Both projects delve into both realms. It's just their respective focal areas that make the different.

TVP believes the next step that will help them the most is a major film that would spread awareness of TVP faster and broader. TAP sees new tools as the key next step toward bringing about tangible improvement. Technology tools in the form of fun and engaging games. So where TVP sees one-way communication as best - TAP sees two-way communication as best. TAP seeks participant feedback and creativity vs. just educating the public with what it believes to be best.

People don't want to be directed - they want to contribute. And immediately vs. after years of training and education.

It's the transition approaches that mainly differentiate TVP and TAP, but both ultimately want the exact same thing.


Creating long-term balance with eliminated resources.

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What's today's civilization strategy?

Seems like it's - everything is up for grabs, today, for today's best interest - with little to no regard for future humanity. Today's world: The future will have to make do with whatever is left!

There are renewable resources and nonrenewable resources. TAP asks you to focus on the nonrenewables, especially the rare earth elements. These are necessary components for most of the latest and greatest technologies that put to work all those renewable resources.

People think renewable resources are the answer to many of our problems and challenges. They will save us all and will keep humanity going into the future. But already there are not enough rare earth elements to meet today's demands. What the hell are next generations going to do?

Should limited nonrenewables be conserved and shared with the future?

TAP says yes. We of today must sacrifice - to ensure humanity humanity will not go extinct.

So the next big question becomes: Who gets what across all time?

How much can we take and use today? How much will each subsequent generation get? Will they get an ever-diminishing amount?

Will human population need to decrease as time marches forward? Balancing people count with limited resources? Or must humanity prioritize 'space' mining higher - to gather required technology resources from other celestial bodies?

Today's world is fooling itself. We cannot keep it's model going - as is. It's 100% not sustainable.

It's not that there's not enough renewables to sustain us. It's that there's not enough rare earth elements to build the infrastructure to harness these renewables.

This is the core problem that must be addressed now. We are stealing from the future to maintain the illusion of today's world. Staying the course means soon the whole model will implode.

Resource ownership

Who should own what?

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TAP suggests a new civilization model should give ownership of almost everything to future humanity.

It suggests the owners be whatever humanity exists 10,000 years into the future - and it keeps moving - as time marches forward.

10,000 years is 500 generations. Far enough off to be considered pretty distant, but not so far to be thought of as impossible to achieve.

A model that shifts ownership to the future establishes laws and rules that advocate for ownership first and present humanity second or somewhere below the ownership group.

Living humans are selfish creatures - if allowed to be this way. Most humans just can't think and do beyond their personal lives.

A model need not give control to present humans. It can be engineered to better control present humans such that they do not take from future humanity. The systems, tools, laws and rules prevent individuals and groups from harming the future.

Control is not given to AI either. A model need not rely on or include AI decision-making.

TAPable is a tool that forces people of the present to do what's best for the future. It includes a very simple principle of - It's illegal to do anything that harms the future. This makes present decision-making much simpler. It guides and directs all important decisions of present humanity.

We all indirectly work for future humanity, the owners of everything. They are more important than we are. If they don't exist in the future to tell our story then our lives never really mattered. The only way we matter in the long term is if we are included in the story they carry forward.


TVP answers along with TAP-perspective responses.


TVP Answer: Very briefly, The Venus Project is an organization that proposes a feasible plan of action for social change; a holistic global socio-economic system called a Resource Based Economy that works toward a peaceful and sustainable global civilization. It outlines an alternative to strive toward where human rights are not only paper proclamations, but also a way of life.

The Venus Project presents an alternative vision for a sustainable world civilization unlike any political, economic or social system that has gone before. It envisions a time in the near future when money, politics, self and national-interest have been phased out. Although this vision may seem idealistic, it is based upon years of study and experimental research. It spans the gamut from education, transportation, and clean sources of energy to total city systems.

Many people believe that what is needed is a higher sense of ethical standards and the enactment of international laws and treaties to assure a sustainable global society. Even if the most ethical people in the world were elected to political office, without sufficient resources, we would still have many of the same problems we have today. As long as a few nations control most of the world’s resources and profit is the bottom line, the same cycle of events will prevail.

As global challenges and scientific information proliferate, nations and people face common threats that transcend national boundaries. Overpopulation, energy shortages, global warming, environmental pollution, water scarcity, economic catastrophe, the spread of uncontrollable disease, and the technological displacement of people by machines threaten each of us. Although many people are dedicated to alleviating those conditions, our social and environmental problems will remain insurmountable as long as a few powerful nations and financial interests maintain control of and consume most of the world’s resources and the monetary system prevails.

If we really wish to put an end to our ongoing international and social problems, we must declare Earth and all of its resources as the common heritage of all of the world’s people.

Earth is abundant and has plentiful resources. Our practice of rationing resources through monetary control is no longer relevant and is counter-productive to our survival. Today we have highly advanced technologies, but our social and economic system has not kept up with our technological capabilities. We could easily create a world of abundance for all; free of servitude and debt based on the carrying capacity of Earth resources. With the intelligent and humane application of science and technology, humanity can guide and shape the future together while protecting the environment. We don’t have enough money to accomplish these ends, but we do have more than enough resources.

TAP Response: TAP & TVP are fater the exact same primary objectives. TAP applauds the work of TVP. 

The biggest difference between our two initiatives is the transition plan of how to get to this better place from today's reality.

Lots of evil stuff is secretly going on behind the scenes of today's narrative reality. There are more serious core problems not being emphasized and discussed, for if they were highlighted within the news media - the public would rise up and demand change.

Today's money design is a core problem. Money impropriety is everywhere.  Worst of all lying and cheating, toward the objective of acquiring more money, is an epidemic that's actually encouraged to grow into an even larger future problem.

TAP agrees with TVP that a new economic submodel is needed. TAP sees currency as a very useful tool. It should not be eliminated - instead, its design simply needs to be improved upon - to reduce or even eliminate most of the peripheral problems that result.

Everyone cannot have everything that others have. More important future humanity cannot have everything that our present humanity has. Nonrenewable resources, like rare earth elements, are diminishing as time marches into the future. For humanity to survive there must be some regulation of resource consumption - a solution that leaves some resources for the future.

We can't all have that medical procedure. We can't all take that holiday trip to Hawaii. We can't all have EVs with lithium battery technology. There's just not enough resources for everyone to have everything. 

The TAP Economy is rooted in this 'truth' and science. Who gets what, of all the limited products, services and experiences is a core issue that must be addressed. TAP actually has a solution concept that interconnects with every other aspect of creating a good life. A new global virtual currency is key to the solution of who gets what - money and choosing to be a more helpful citizen. The two together simplify who gets what.


2. What is a Resource-Based Economy?

TVP Answer: To transcend these limitations, The Venus Project proposes we work toward a worldwide, resource-based economy, a holistic social and economic system in which the planetary resources are held as the common heritage of all the earth’s inhabitants. The current practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant, counter-productive, and falls far short of meeting humanity’s needs.

Simply stated, within a Resource Based Economy we will utilize existing resources – rather than money – to provide an equitable method of distribution in the most humane and efficient manner. It is a system in which all goods and services are available to everyone without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of debt or servitude.

To better understand a resource-based economy, consider this. If all the money in the world disappeared overnight, as long as topsoil, factories, personnel and other resources were left intact, we could build anything we needed to fulfill most human needs. It is not money that people require, but rather free access to most of their needs without worrying about financial security or having to appeal to a government bureaucracy. In a resource-based economy of abundance, money will become irrelevant.

We have arrived at a time when new innovations in science and technology can easily provide abundance to all of the world’s people. It is no longer necessary to perpetuate the conscious withdrawal of efficiency by planned obsolescence, perpetuated by our old and outworn profit system. If we are genuinely concerned about the environment and our fellow human beings, if we really want to end territorial disputes, war, crime, poverty and hunger, we must consciously reconsider the social processes that led us to a world where these factors are common. Like it or not, it is our social processes – political practices, belief systems, profit-based economy, our culture-driven behavioral norms – that lead to and support hunger, war, disease and environmental damage.

The aim of this new social design is to encourage an incentive system no longer directed toward the shallow and self-centered goals of wealth, property, and power. These new incentives would encourage people toward self-fulfillment and creativity, both materially and spiritually.

TAP Response: TAP recommends that future humanity be given ownership of Earth's resources - this instead of giving ownership the the whole of present humanity. What this does is force present humanity to always consider what's best for sustainability of our species.

When we give ownership and control to the present then the present takes care of the present first and often steals from the future. It's just human nature to take care of self, before we help others. The problem with this is today's model is failing rapidly and a great majority of people are in survival mode. Altruism dissolves away in the presence of survival mode.

Imagine a world where living people don't have the power to make selfish decisions. Instead, the model solution details possess the power - by way of law and rule surrounding and controlling the improved tools of society. A perfect example is TAP's new infocomm system that does not allow a user to go rogue within the tool. Imagine an infocomm tool that incentivizes and rewards honesty and provides no incentive for dishonesty. Dishonesty harms each user. Honesty helps each user.

The problem with today's world is all the tools, their laws and rules, were engineered to give game advantage to the wealthy and powerful. TAP's new model advocates for the future first and foremost and limits the harm the present can do to their future.

It's a really simple core design principle that helps ensure the present does not create the extinction event.


3. Why do you feel that an approach as revolutionary as The Venus Project is necessary?

TVP Answer: Our current system is not capable of providing a high standard of living for everyone, nor can it ensure the protection of the environment because the major motive is profit. Businesses aren’t entirely to blame; they are forced to operate this way in order to retain the competitive edge. Additionally, with the advent of automation, cybernation, and artificial intelligence, there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by automated systems. As a result, fewer people will be able to purchase goods and services even though our capability to produce an abundance will continue to exist. This is well-documented in Jeremy Rifkin’s book The End of Work: The Decline of the Global Labor Force and the Dawn of the Post-market Era (Putnam, 1995). The Venus Project offers a fresh approach that reverses the negative aspects experienced in our current applications of automation and artificial intelligence. This project eliminates the disastrous consequences that such approaches can have on our society, i.e. the displacement of millions of workers, skilled and unskilled alike.

TAP Response: TAP will suggest that our present civilization model is unfixable as detailed. But this conclusion is not how our world operates today. Today's world, with all its NFPs, working away at the almost countless peripheral problems, tells a different story. Its story simple concludes that with enough peripheral solutions, almost none that interconnect with all other solutions, that today's world can be improved upon and made endlessly sustainable. 

TAP suggests this is another core problem co-created from the lie this story tells.

Today's world problems are increasing. Our world is not getting better. It's actually getting far worse. Way more complexity and additional problems this complexity generates.

The solution is not so much about imagining the details of a better future world - this is actually the easy piece. The real challenge is engineering a transition plan - one that seamlessly and non-violently shifts us from the realities of today's world to a more balanced and endlessly sustainable future world.

We cannot wait for today's model to implode. This will be almost impossible to recover from. And this type of implosion event will see friend killing friend, family killing family, neighbor killing neighbor. It will be as awful as awful can get. It's not so much about nations killing the citizens of competitive nations. This is already happening and widely accepted as, How the real world works. But this too is a lie we've been fed since the beginning of modern historical humanity. All this killing uses more resources than if unity existed across all time.

Unity, across all time, is the only way humanity is ever going to prevent self-extinction.

Viable unity can begin with our unity voice. What we all agree is best for future humanity. Not what's best for the selfish us of today's reality - instead, what's best for those who come next and carry the torch of better understanding forward.

To unit all of humanity across all time, we need to find our agreement - of what we are all doing here. TAP suggests it's not about individual self. TAP suggests it's about ensuring humanity does not go extinction in the universal game.


4. Isn’t it just decent people that we need in government?

TVP Answer: It is not enough to criticize, point out the shortcomings of society, or advocate that people of high moral character be elected into office; this would do little to advance civilization. What is needed is the intelligent management of the world’s resources, and a comprehensive and workable arrangement of environmental and social affairs that are in strict accord with existing resources and the carrying capacity of our planet. Even with the election of men and women of impeccable character into government, without available resources and advanced technology, war, poverty, and corruption will prevail no matter how many new laws are passed or treaties signed. It is not democracy that elevated our standard of living, it is our resources, water, arable land, and new technology. Rhetoric and paper proclamations are irrelevant in the management of human and social affairs.

TAP Response: The problem is not the people. The problem is the model that drive people into being who they become. If the model only focuses on the present and does not plan for the future sustainability - then it will eventually fail. If humanity always uses what is available in the present moment - then it will soon bring about our extinction.

The trick is to regulate how much of what is available can be used in the present. How much to save for each new generation? It cannot be equally distributed. How much, in the future, must humanity be expected to innovate, to increase efficiency, to decrease wastefulness and to sacrifice for those who come next?

Budgeting and planning with accurate predictions of resources is essential.

A Resource Based Economy cannot use everything available, in the moment. A RBE must share certain types of resources with future generations.